{"id":5303,"date":"2022-11-10T17:06:07","date_gmt":"2022-11-10T16:06:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/plumalia.eu\/?p=5303"},"modified":"2025-05-30T10:05:13","modified_gmt":"2025-05-30T08:05:13","slug":"le-bec-croise-des-sapins-loxia-curvirostra-et-sa-particularite-mandibulaire","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/plumalia.eu\/?p=5303","title":{"rendered":"Le Bec-crois\u00e9 des sapins &#8211; Loxia curvirostra\u00a0&#8211; et sa particularit\u00e9 mandibulaire."},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Parfois, il est possible de photographier les oiseaux d&rsquo;assez pr\u00e8s. C&rsquo;est ici le cas \u00e0 une station de nourrissage de Wavreille (Belgique). <br>Dans ce cas, les d\u00e9tails sont parfois surprenants. <br>Suite \u00e0 ses observations et avec des preuves en images, peut-on dire que les mandibules de cette esp\u00e8ce sont toujours crois\u00e9es dans le m\u00eame sens ?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-right\">Bruno Marchal &#8211; Plumalia<br>Textes et photos prot\u00e9g\u00e9s par les l\u00e9gislations en vigueur.<\/h3>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"800\" height=\"644\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-03220.jpg?resize=800%2C644&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-5313\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-03220.jpg?w=800&amp;ssl=1 800w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-03220.jpg?resize=300%2C242&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-03220.jpg?resize=768%2C618&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">On commence \u00e0 apercevoir quelques plumes de couleur rouge, ce jeune oiseau deviendra donc un m\u00e2le.<br>Ici, la mandibule sup\u00e9rieure passe \u00e0 droite de la mandibule inf\u00e9rieure.<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"800\" height=\"581\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-03247.jpg?resize=800%2C581&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-5314\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-03247.jpg?w=800&amp;ssl=1 800w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-03247.jpg?resize=300%2C218&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-03247.jpg?resize=768%2C558&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Sur ce tout jeune sp\u00e9cimen, impossible de le sexer avec ce type de plumage, la mandibule sup\u00e9rieure passe aussi \u00e0 droite.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"800\" height=\"655\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-03249.jpg?resize=800%2C655&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-5315\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-03249.jpg?w=800&amp;ssl=1 800w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-03249.jpg?resize=300%2C246&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-03249.jpg?resize=768%2C629&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">On le remarque encore mieux sur ce portrait serr\u00e9, de face.<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"800\" height=\"629\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-05958.jpg?resize=800%2C629&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-5316\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-05958.jpg?w=800&amp;ssl=1 800w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-05958.jpg?resize=300%2C236&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-05958.jpg?resize=768%2C604&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Sur cet autre jeune m\u00e2le, d\u00e9j\u00e0 plus rouge, la mandibule sup\u00e9rieure passe aussi \u00e0 droite de la mandibule inf\u00e9rieure.<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"800\" height=\"594\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-08517.jpg?resize=800%2C594&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-5317\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-08517.jpg?w=800&amp;ssl=1 800w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-08517.jpg?resize=300%2C223&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-08517.jpg?resize=768%2C570&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Tiens voil\u00e0 que sur ce m\u00e2le adulte, la mandibule sup\u00e9rieure passe \u00e0 gauche de l&rsquo;inf\u00e9rieure&#8230;<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"800\" height=\"612\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-08531.jpg?resize=800%2C612&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-5319\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-08531.jpg?w=800&amp;ssl=1 800w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-08531.jpg?resize=300%2C230&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-08531.jpg?resize=768%2C588&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">C&rsquo;est bien visible sur ce portrait de face.<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"800\" height=\"616\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-08591.jpg?resize=800%2C616&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-5320\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-08591.jpg?w=800&amp;ssl=1 800w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-08591.jpg?resize=300%2C231&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-08591.jpg?resize=768%2C591&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Sur cet autre m\u00e2le adulte, la mandibule sup\u00e9rieure passe aussi \u00e0 gauche.<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"800\" height=\"656\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-00761.jpg?resize=800%2C656&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-5321\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-00761.jpg?w=800&amp;ssl=1 800w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-00761.jpg?resize=300%2C246&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-00761.jpg?resize=768%2C630&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">La mandibule sup\u00e9rieure passe \u00e0 droite avec ce jeune oiseau.<br>Il n&rsquo;a pas \u00e9t\u00e9 possible de d\u00e9finir si les femelles, les jeunes ou les m\u00e2les avaient un croisement soit \u00e0 droite soit \u00e0 gauche de la mandibule sup\u00e9rieure chez les becs crois\u00e9s des sapins &#8211;<em> Loxia curvirostra<\/em>.<br>Et si simplement, l&rsquo;individu avait le choix de croiser \u00e0 droite ou \u00e0 gauche&#8230;<br>D&rsquo;autres avis ?<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"800\" height=\"634\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-08561.jpg?resize=800%2C634&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-5323\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-08561.jpg?w=800&amp;ssl=1 800w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-08561.jpg?resize=300%2C238&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-08561.jpg?resize=768%2C609&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Pour pouvoir aspirer l&rsquo;eau pour boire, cette esp\u00e8ce doit enfoncer sont bec presque en entier dans le liquide.<br><br><a href=\"https:\/\/plumalia.eu\/?p=90\">Photos prot\u00e9g\u00e9es par la l\u00e9gislation en vigueur.<\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n<p>G-L27K65SWYF<br><br>Bonjour Bruno,<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>J\u2019avais lu quelque part qu\u2019il y a bien des droitiers et des gauchers chez les oiseaux.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Chez les un chevalier d\u2019Am\u00e9rique du sud qui retourne les pierres avec son bec recourb\u00e9, certains ont le bec recourb\u00e9 vers la droite et d\u2019autres vers la gauche, selon qu\u2019ils sont droitiers ou non.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Des Huitriers pie ont le bec en ciseau ou en marteau selon leur technique de chasse aux moules. Quoique l\u2019on pense que certains passent d\u2019une technique \u00e0 l\u2019autre et que leur bec \u00e9volue avec leur usage&nbsp;: plus fin quand il faut sectionner le muscle et plus en marteau quand il faut casser la coquille.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bonne observation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Thierry<br><br><strong>Deuxi\u00e8me intervention de Thierry,<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>J\u2019ai retrouv\u00e9 le nom , c\u2019est la pluvianelle magellanique pluvianellus socialis<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Un genre avec une seule esp\u00e8ce.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Concernant le bec, J\u2019ai not\u00e9 cette particularit\u00e9 pour une pr\u00e9sentation aves.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>En parcourant internet, je n\u2019ai retrouv\u00e9 qu\u2019un endroit o\u00f9 l\u2019on parle de son bec un peu relev\u00e9 qui lui sert de retourner les pierres.. Nulle part je retrouve ce c\u00f4te gaucher ou droitier.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Mais bon je n\u2019ai pas pass\u00e9 une heure non plus.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ce qui fait qu\u2019il n\u2019est pas un vrai pluvier&nbsp;: ses pattes tr\u00e8s courtes et robustes &nbsp;avec lesquelles elle gratte le sol.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>En fait il serait plus proche des Chionis, un autre oiseau antarctique.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"290\" height=\"193\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Pluvianelle-magellanique-pluvianellus-socialis.jpg?resize=290%2C193&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-5343\" data-recalc-dims=\"1\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Photo du Pluvianelle magellanique, trouv\u00e9e sur la toile et sans copyright \u00e0 premi\u00e8re vue&#8230;<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<script src=\"http:\/\/www.google-analytics.com\/urchin.js\" type=\"text\/javascript\">\n<\/script>\n<script type=\"text\/javascript\">\n_uacct = \"UA-2472264-1\";\nurchinTracker();\n<\/script>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Le Bec crois\u00e9 des sapins a t il toujours les mandibules crois\u00e9es dans le m\u00eame sens ?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":5311,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_coblocks_attr":"","_coblocks_dimensions":"","_coblocks_responsive_height":"","_coblocks_accordion_ie_support":"","om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[30,25],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-5303","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-archives-2022-archives","category-vies-d-oiseaux"],"aioseo_notices":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/plumalia.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Bec-croise-des-sapins-03167.jpg?fit=800%2C646&ssl=1","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/plumalia.eu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5303","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/plumalia.eu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/plumalia.eu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/plumalia.eu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/plumalia.eu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=5303"}],"version-history":[{"count":13,"href":"https:\/\/plumalia.eu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5303\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":6874,"href":"https:\/\/plumalia.eu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5303\/revisions\/6874"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/plumalia.eu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/5311"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/plumalia.eu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=5303"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/plumalia.eu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=5303"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/plumalia.eu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=5303"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}